Thursday, February 18, 2021

Jacqui Curtis - Meet the woman trying to fix the public service people problem

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Meet the woman trying to fix the public service people problem

Jacqui Curtis is trying to fix the HR problems in the federal public service. She is investigating staff swapping, working from home and why so many promotions are internal.

Jacqui Curtis: “When it comes to the APS, there has been no burning platform that requires us to be different, until recently.” Sitthixay Ditthavong

Tom BurtonGovernment editor

Jacqui Curtis is not the first person to observe the public service is only as good as its people. But as head of human resource professionals for the 150,000-strong Australian Public Service she is now in a position to do something about it.

In her day job, Curtis is the chief operating officer for the Australian Tax Office, having come through the public service ranks as an HR and change specialist.

But after a major review by former Telstra chief executive David Thodey revealed endemic gaps in public service skills and capabilities, the Australian Public Service Commission developed a network for HR professionals.

Curtis was tapped to help fix what many observers considered the elephant in the room, the inability of the service to adapt to the modern world by increasing the skills of the HR workforce.

Thodey found there had been a hollowing out of strategic policy skills, “the ability to understand the forces at play in the world, what is needed to position the nation to meet challenges and opportunities, and to develop, analyse and provide incisive advice to the government”.

Thodey blamed a mix of reasons, notably prioritising short-term responsiveness at the expense of long-term thinking, a risk-adverse culture that stifled employee potential, staffing caps and retention policies that arbitrarily led to longer-term gaps in capability, and a large increase in outside contractors and consultants.

Virus a game changer

The finding sadly was not new, with capability gaps having been identified 10 years earlier in a similar report titled Ahead of the Game. Curtis is clear about why change has not occurred.

“When it comes to the APS, there has been no burning platform that requires us to be different until recently. The combination of the Thodey review and the COVID-19 crisis has given us that impetus to make real change” Curtis said in an interview.

“You need something concrete to drive that change.

“You can only drive your people to change their behaviour and mindset if you can show them change visibly taking place in their department or agency, or more broadly across the APS.

Jacqui Curtis is now keen to build on the sudden embrace of flexibility after the federal response to COVID-19. 

“It’s that visible change that will drive that shift. I always say to people, you can change any policy, any procedure, any technology, but it is people that have to embrace that and put it into practice.

“Otherwise, you don’t get real change. You’re simply shuffling priorities at a high level, which then fails to flow through with the necessary change of mindset and actions that create long-term, organisational transformation.”

Start small and scale up

For Curtis, this practical approach to change needs to come from the bottom up. The centre needs to set the direction, but the agencies need to bring it to life.

“A lot of the time, we get caught up in HR theory and best practice, instead of stripping it back to the basic principles of having an idea, starting small and scaling it up if it works.

“It is vital that you make it really simple and tangible for people. And in doing so, people realise that they can make a difference. They get on board, they tell others and it snowballs through the organisation.”

Curtis cites the mobility challenge as an example.

Thodey noted the APS inter-agency mobility rate, which measures movement of employees between agencies in a year, has been stuck for decades at a dismal 2.5 per cent.

This explains why nearly three-quarters (72 per cent) of the APS has only ever worked in one agency, driving the infamous insularity that is readily apparent to anyone who has worked in the federal public service.

At the ATO, Curtis’ approach had been to drive this through a staff-swapping arrangement.

COVID-19 saw us change everything we knew about our traditional ways of doing business.

With her senior executives, she “sat around the table and did some horse-trading and moving some people around” with executives seconded from different agencies.

Like many like-minded reformers, Curtis is now keen to build on the sudden embrace of flexibility after the federal response to COVID-19 that led to more than 2100 staff seconded to Services Australia.

This goes particularly to the whole remote-working phenomena COVID-19 unleashed.

While staff surveys have revealed a deep desire for remote working to be formally embraced, Curtis notes it will be important to get some clear central direction about the underlying approach to flexible working.

While some state governments see flexible working as a game changer for attracting talent and diversity, the political signals from Canberra have been far more tepid, after the Prime Minister Scott Morrison told APS leaders before Christmas that he wanted to see them face-to-face.

Seeking hard evidence on WFH

In the meantime, the ATO is piloting a six-month program to really understand the implications of embracing remote working.

“We need our approach to be based on the evidence, so we’re going to see if we can get some hard data,” says Curtis, noting the significant people management issues that will need to be addressed if flexible working is to be fully implemented.

It is this trial and scale approach across multiple agencies that Curtis believes will be most effective in driving the larger strategic goal of trying to build long-term innovation and change in capability.

“Our response when COVID-19 hit is a great example of innovation and change in action,” Curtis said.

“All of a sudden, the Tax Office had to completely pivot from being an agency that was focused on collecting money, auditing businesses and being a regulator, to suddenly pushing money out the door. We were called on to meet the urgent needs of the community and the government, and we responded rapidly.

“To be able to do that required us to think completely differently about how we operate.

“COVID-19 saw us change everything we knew about our traditional ways of doing business. It saw us encourage our people to look outside their usual position and support them to think more broadly about what serving Australians truly means.

“For example, through our change programs, we had already begun to recognise that instead of having rigid policies that are inflexible, you need principle-based policies you can adapt to the needs of the clients. You need governance mechanisms and procedures that allow you to be able to flexibly shift and pivot to meet changing demands.”

Too many internal promotions

Recruitment is another area where Curtis sees significant gains by simply applying modern techniques to driving diversity and a culture that embraces change rather than one far too comfortable with the status quo (my observation).

“I think we still have too many recruitment practices that are out of date and restrictive, which can mean we’re not getting the right people in the right roles.

“And we still place too much emphasis on academic record; not just in our graduate program, but in quite a lot of our recruitment processes. My priority now is thinking of ways of getting more diversity, so we’re more representative of the community.”

A common theme for Curtis is the need for leadership to take ownership of the changes they want and to demonstrate that in a visible way to their agency.

“Leadership is essential here. We can say all the time that we want people that are innovative and courageous, but in many cases, we’re still not seeing that reflected in who we actually recruit.

“If you look at the State of the Service report and any of the stats from the APSC, you’ll still see lots of promotions from within an agency. This doesn’t always reflect the mobility and diversity that I’d expect to see in the APS.

“Leaders need to realise there can be a disconnect between their wishes and their actions. They need to understand that their people notice if they say one thing, but then do another.”

This is particularly so around the need for diversity, where in the senior executive level it remains white with the vast majority hired from within.

“We need to see more of our leaders taking diversity seriously. We need leaders who show their focus on diversity in their actions and not just by getting out there and saying it’s important,” Curtis observes.

The leadership theme goes to the recognition that human resources needs to be rethought in the public service, an observation equally relevant to many private sector organisations navigating the massive disruption fuelled by technology and the rapidly changing geopolitical environment.

“Leaders knew they needed a really strong HR capability, and they weren’t getting what they wanted, but I don’t think there was a real understanding of what that might need to look like going forward.”


“I think there’s still a bit of a mindset that HR is still that traditional attract, recruit, build capability. Obviously, this is part of the job, but HR is so much more than just those tasks.

“In the future, HR needs to be innovative and creative if it’s going to be able to deliver on that trusted advisor role that it needs to be.”

That of course implies a higher-level capability within the HR professional stream, which is exactly what Curtis is seeking to build.

It will be a long road.

HR has long been bracketed among a group of corporate services, that in a typical mid-size agency will include technology, finance, security, ministerial and procurement functions.

In old-school organisations, the corporate function also includes communications and stakeholder engagement, and is often run by junior corporate executives who report up through a nightmare of authorising levels.

Elevating human resources to the C-suite will be a sure sign APS agencies are finally taking their people and capability challenge seriously.


ATO's chief operating officer Jacqui Curtis has been appointed as the first head of profession in the Australian Public Service